# outer-pos parameter (skin)

Source: https://ref.dm-lang.org/skin/param/outer-pos
Added in BYOND 515.

### Applies to
> [Main](https://ref.dm-lang.org/skin/control/main.md)

### Format
> `*x*,*y*`

Read-only.

Reads the control's current exterior position *including* titlebar, statusbar, borders, etc. If the window is not minimized or maximized, this is identical to `pos`.

### See also
- [pos parameter](https://ref.dm-lang.org/skin/param/pos.md)
- [outer-size parameter](https://ref.dm-lang.org/skin/param/outer-size.md)
- [inner-pos parameter](https://ref.dm-lang.org/skin/param/inner-pos.md)